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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Nov 23, 2005 2:13pm
Forum: etree Subject: New friendly speculations

Does it occur to anyone else that GDP has acquired a whole bunch of soundboards that they did not have in their possession until yesterday. We have heard for some time how there are a lot of sbds missing from their own archives, particularly from the early 80's. Well now they have co-opted many of these boards from the people who uploaded them. Presumably, these were not stolen from the band but were given to various people, and subsequently were uploaded by their rightful owners to be used in a non commercial manner. This seems to me to be, at the very least, somewhat underhanded, and as with everything about this sordid turn of events, against the whole spirit of the music. It brings up an interesting question.... does the band own these sbds after they have given them out to others?? I mean if I'm given a cd is it still the band's property? Also, I know that many of these so called SBDs have audience sections edited into them. If, as rumored they plan to sell downloads of every SBD they now have, how can buyers be sure that they will be getting what is advertised to them?? Not that it would make any difference to most of us who will just continue to trade amongst ourselves, but it does raise some interesting issuesFor example, does a person who uploaded a sbd for non commercial use have any legal recourse to prevent commercial use of his or her property??? And if they haven't actually acquired these SBDs, wouldnt it make sense that they allowed the distribution of shows they don't already have copies of. Just some musings and speculation for people to toss around!!

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Nov 24, 2005 1:28am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: New friendly speculations

Thank you for the clarification, Diana

And Liam, that is even more depressing. The only thing worse than what has happened is if the band gives up their control of their live music. Remember when Michael Jackson bought the Beatles catalog? Does this mean we will start seeing Nike and Cadillac commercials with Truckin' as the soundtrack....YUCK!!

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Nov 24, 2005 3:14am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: New friendly speculations

Surely I remember the Beatles Fiasco.

But as far as the audience tapes, the copyright issues are not that clear. However, again based on copyright law, there is no way that Warner Brothers can legally stop us from trading- thay may bring law suits, but the most important thing is this- these shows, both audience and soundboards, are now in the "public domain". The band has allowed the shows to be traded, and as a result the public probably now has obtained the right to distribute the music-as long as a profit is not made- in fact, the legal fact is the music is in the "limited public domain".

I am sure GDP and Warner Bros has the best lawyers, but I think if this issue were pressed we might get the courts to agree with us regarding access. I am going to research this in my copyright law books and start a new post later.

There must be precedent out there, especially with jazz shows starting in the 1930's

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Nov 24, 2005 12:54am
Forum: etree Subject: What I heard about this at the Phil Show last night

I heard a different rumor at the show. Apparently the band is trying to sell off the entire catalog, and they were trying to do this with Rhino records. The deal with Rhino fell through, so now they are supposedly negotiating with Warner Brothers.

Word is that Warner Brothers asked that the soundboards be taken down off this site as a part of the deal. If this were true,, it would explain some of the crypticness of the message from the archive, when they refer to their discussions with "many others involved-.." the explanation given by Brewster does not say they were talking only to GDP- so, if Brewster or any one else at the archive knows anything about Warner- let us know- of course, if the negotiations are secret, you cannot

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Poster: bigjasu Date: Nov 24, 2005 1:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: What I heard about this at the Phil Show last night

My question is, if WARNER BROS. does get the rights to the entire vault, how will this effect trading on a one-to-one
basis or will we have to stop doing that too.
because if they own it, they might prohibit even the trading of discs between people.

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Nov 23, 2005 11:55pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: New friendly speculations

Does it occur to anyone else that GDP has acquired a whole bunch of soundboards that they did not have in their possession until yesterday.

No, because it's not like IA is shipping their servers off to anyone! I don't know where you got that idea. It would have been possible for them to download filesets over the last 18 months just like anyone else did, though.

The filesets are still here at this site, not going anywhere, just not publicly available at the moment. The public access, and that available content will be "reshelved" from LMA to a separate collection here, are the things that change here. (Those, and the forum post volume. ;) )

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Poster: LevitatingYogi Date: Nov 24, 2005 12:02am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: New friendly speculations

so are you saying that the shows will be available again at a later date in the manner they were before (i.e. free and downloadable?)

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Poster: doodle Date: Nov 24, 2005 12:06am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: New friendly speculations

" No, because it's not like IA is shipping their servers off to anyone! I don't know where you got that idea. It would have been possible for them to download filesets over the last 18 months just like anyone else did, though".

Just to be devil's advocate , if "anyone else downloaded" would they they be able to hoard them for (presumably)commercial sale?